A Paradigm Shift
A Conversation with
Dr. Richard Bartlett and
by Sydney L. Murray
Often when I talk to Richard Bartlett, his mind and his thoughts are so inspiring and profound that it sometimes takes days for me to assimilate what we have discussed. He has met his match in co-presenter Melissa Joy.
They are the proverbial dynamic duo.
Vision Magazine: Our theme this month is Cultural Shift.
Where do you think we are at in terms of our culture shifting?
Dr. Richard Bartlett: I think the culture is getting stupider, for sure. My favorite TV shows have been canceled. There was one about a parallel universe, which was quite an intelligent show. And they put Howard Stern on "America's Got Talent," and I'm not sure America has talent. And they certainly don't have brains.
VM: What do you think, Melissa?
Melissa Joy: I would partially agree with Richard, but I would also say at the same time there is a significant, I'll use the word 'awakening,' for lack of a better word, going on within the culture, and people are becoming more aware that the political systems are not necessarily what they thought they were, our medical systems are not what they thought they were, our educational system is not meeting the needs of our children. And I think there is an overall cultural waking-up that is taking place that is very, very exciting. Not withstanding what's going on with television.
RB: I think that's 1 percent of 1 percent of 1 percent of the population. However, that 1 percent of 1 percent of 1 percent could be enough to change everything.
VM: If there would be one simple way that someone could shift their life, what would that be?
MJ: To let go of their beliefs.
RB: I would agree with that. Question your beliefs, write them down on paper, and then say, "Why do I believe that, when did I begin to believe that, who told me that, and what are those voices in my head that tell me to believe that?" And then doubt it.
VM: It's so interesting to see some of the experiences people have at a Matrix Energetics seminar. And that's one of the dominant things that people say, that they were open to new parts of the world and their lives. How does that happen?
RB: I'm not sure how it happens, but just yesterday I had a gentleman on stage named Paul, and he wanted to change a feeling of being lost. And so we worked with him with something called [memes], which Melissa and I teach in Level 3. And when we got done, he was not lost anymore. He didn't remember where he was, he didn't remember why he was standing up there, and actually when he went back to his chair, he couldn't remember where he was sitting. So that was definitely a shift for him.
VM: And the people you work with definitely say their body has changed. The feeling of it has changed.
MJ: I think the feeling around their entire reality changes, just by virtue of being in the field of Matrix Energetics, which is based on what is possible, not what is not possible. And when you open up to that awareness, it lets you recognize that there are different choices that you could be making, just by virtue of shifting your perception. So I think, really, what happens when people come to a seminar is that they start to see the blocks that they're in, and they realize they are not blocks, they are so much more than that, and they become more open to what's possible and available for them.
RB: They don't think their way out of their dilemmas. And they don't really change by thinking or feeling differently. They are different. And then that difference at their core bubbles up from their center and changes the periphery or their life, and then they begin to notice.
VM: Because that's the matrix; that's the field that you shift.
And are you constantly shifting it? Do you have to bring it back?
RB: I don't do anything; the field owns me.
MJ: Once you're connected with the field, it is always with you. It's non-local; it's above space-time. It is not that it requires you to constantly shift it back or bring it back. Sometimes there is a lack of awareness of its presence, and so sometimes you may need to reconnect with that knowingness that it's there and it's available. And that sometimes just comes with practice. It's always there. Once you connect with it—even if you don't attend a seminar, even if you are just exposed to it in a book or an article in a magazine—once that connection is made, you have access to it from any place in your awareness.
VM: I What is some of the new research, if you're aware of any, that's supporting Matrix Energetics' teachings?
RB: Well it's not really new research. It's been going on for at least 50 years or more. But the torsion field of physics research in Russia is probably closer than anything I've seen to the model of what Matrix Energetics appears to be about. And that model, inherent within it, is consciousness, and then consciousness adds torsion waves of information that then become super-charged to the point where it becomes not a potential, but it becomes an actuality. And so that's why I continually delineate between virtual reality and actual reality. I actually do not believe that there is just one reality, that these realities are virtual. And as you change the spin at your core, it changes the information that makes up your universe, and then that reflects out into physical changes that you're able to observe.
VM: With quantum physics, we're all connected; we're just a sea of energy, essentially.
RB: And what's great is you don't even have to see it to be in it. In fact, we're in it all time. All parts of it, really, are dissolved into a oneness. And the illusion of separateness is exactly that: there is no separateness in this entire universe. The physicists view it as a continuum, and we are all part of that continuum, moving toward constant awareness of that connection.
MJ: We sense that the quantum physics model only partially explains what may be going on with Matrix Energetics. While it's older research, but it's more recently come to the forefront [that] the torsion physics more readily explains the phenomenon that we witness with Matrix Energetics.
VM: I just remember Richard talking about that there are different matrices.
A sports team is a matrix. Or a TV show.
RB: That is a morphic field. And those morphic fields, again, are a budding idea or a seed that spins in the center of a vortex, and then that seed generates like resonance with other vortexes that then begin to resonate together, that create a larger and larger effect that then creates a continuous field of information that is specific to the resonance of that particular idea or subject or pattern.
MJ: So there's one unified field of consciousness, but then there are these sub-fields, or morphic fields, that are different expressions of that unified field. And that creates what we experience as distinctions in three-dimensional reality.
VM: It's interesting, too, when you're working with people and you do, I think you call it "skimming," kind of feeling their bodies. It just seems to me like you shift the energy, but you shift the field?
RB: We don't really talk about energy anymore in Matrix Energetics, because the idea of energy is outmoded. Because what I think really is happening is we are shifting awareness, which then changes the charge on potential, and then potential is activated at a certain level, which then creates a release of what you might call energy. But that release of energy is more of a phenomenon than the actual thing itself. The thing itself is potential that is unexpressed until the moment of recognition or observation.
MJ: We really describe the experience of Matrix Energetics in terms of being about light, information, and resonance, where you as a being of light move out and interact with information or patterns of information. And then by virtue of being in resonance with a specific pattern of information, it is then expressed as energy in your reality. So the energy is the result of the resonance that you've established with a particular pattern of information.
VM: And I was always interested in when you call
it "consciousness technology," but is there a technology?
RB: Well there is a technology, because the morphic field of Matrix Energetics has been built like machinery or like software. I have put it together. What were doing was taking advantage of these scientific principles and then creating, very deliberately, a specific field that would resonate with the principles that we put together to allow for a certain set of outcomes in any given circumstance.
VM: You spent years of studying to try to understand it, and then put together this technology?
RB: Well the ideas themselves, once they link together, they become a technology. It's not like I have to actually construct it. The thought of constructing it creates the whirlwind, and from the whirlwind creates the potential and from the potential comes the virtual reality that you could call a consciousness technology.
VM: How have you seen your teachings change?
RB: I started teaching this in 2003. I was very linear, very fundamental, very left-brained, very technique, in a sense, oriented. And now I am so free-flow, free-form; I never know what's going to happen next. I started out this seminar with me wearing my Michael Keaton, exact copy of the Batman suit that he wore in the movie, playing out, "Start Me Up" on a Gibson guitar.
VM: How has your experience changed since Melissa has come on
board and started assisting you and teaching with you?
RB: We're like complementary particles of the same atom because we can read other's thoughts, we can read each other's faces, where we pause and if we just are patient, the one will fulfill the other's thought. We're both equally trusting in the field. Therefore, it's like having a completeness, having a male-female, yin-yang dynamic that completes the complementarity of the particle. It's like the electron must have the proton. So we have that now.
VM: And how has your life changed, Melissa?
MJ: I'm laughing. How has my life not changed? Well I don't even think I recognize the person that I used to be, although I can track back to how I used to approach particular situations or relationships, or even my reference of myself, in terms of how I felt about myself. My life has opened up in so many ways. I just know that I always have options. There are always choices available to me; I'm never stuck. I've committed my entire life, really, to growing this morphic field of Matrix Energetics, and expanding people's awareness, one individual at a time. It's a privilege and an honor and it's a lot of responsibility, but I wouldn't trade it for the world.
VM: Like you always said, you were meant to do it.
MJ: I think so. I came to my first Matrix Energetics seminar and essentially never left.
RB: What's really funny about that is Melissa told me, after I met her, she'd been going to quite a few seminars before I even had a conversation with her. In the first seminar she was in, I was talking to the audience, and she saw me turn towards her and look her directly in the eyes and say, "And, if you will it, you will be teaching this some day." Well the funny thing is, I never turned towards her, I never looked at her, and I never said that.
MJ: And I knew he never said it, and I even asked my friend that was sitting next to me, "Did you just hear what he said?" And she repeated what he had actually said. So I was fully aware that he hadn't said it, but the experience was so real. It was my inner voice giving me a calling and an invitation. And it was my choice whether I would follow or not. Even if I had no idea how it would unfold, it was part of my plan.
RB: The call was itself the answer, and you could probably say, at some level in multi-dimensional awareness that is exactly what happened.
MJ: In the seminar, nobody was attending except me. It's quite common; we have a couple hundred people at a given seminar, and there are a couple hundred seminars going on in any given moment. Because each person experiences the information that they think that they're hearing through their own perceptual filters, and it comes through each person differently.
RB: It's what Robert Anton Wilson called a "reality tunnel." Everybody has their own reality tunnel. So when we speak, we have the challenge (Melissa and I) of being left-brained/right-brained and interchanging that so we have whole-brain awareness, so that we're speaking to 200 or 300 people on their individual level, at their individual state of consciousness. And we have to communicate through the field so those ripples reach out and intersect with everybody so that it touches them where they are, and then they have the choice whether they want to change and to come into a different resonance or one that's more complete for them.
VM: Is the audience just incredibly diverse? I know you've been getting more MDs coming.
MJ: What's interesting about our audience is that there is no typical seminar participant. We have a broad range of students that attend. While we do have some MDs, we have just as many domestic engineers and teachers and teenagers. We have a really broad range of students. And because the information that we present can be readily acceptable, really by anyone—even though the less education you have, the more likely you'll be able to learn what we're teaching—there is no typical student.
RB: And I would say, if there are more MDs in the class, I'm proud of them because they never tell me they are a doctor.
VM: That's good! With these different professions and different people, I just see this kind of movement in the world, a shift.
MJ: I think if I have a vision for Matrix Energetics, it is that we continue to attract all types of individuals in all different vocations so that they can embody what it is that we're teaching and then move that into wherever they are, so that what we're offering in terms of accessing infinite potential becomes part of the paradigm that they're in rather than them abandoning their paradigm to try to create a whole new one. They can create it from within.
RB: What I think is the most encouraging thing about our seminars is we are regularly seeing 19-year-olds, 15-year-olds—boys and girls—coming to the seminar, understanding the seminar, immersed in the seminar, and having the time of their life. Just at the last seminar I had a 14-year-old girl tell me, "Sir, I want to tell you—seriously, I want to tell you—this is the greatest thing I've ever done in my entire life."
VM: If there is one thing you both could comment on regarding the theme, Cultural Shift, what would it be?
RB: The field is infinite; there are infinite possibilities out there that are actually not out there at all, because they're within you. Each person has the seed of greatness within them. And all they need to do in order to access that seed is to stop being anyone else but who they really are.
MJ: I don't think I'm going to add anything to that; that was perfect. There's nothing to add to that. That is the quintessential, what's available through Matrix Energetics.
Richard Bartlett, DC, ND, is a global leader and pioneer who has helped thousands of people heal themselves since founding Matrix Energetics. He is the author of the award-winning Matrix Energetics: The Science and Art of Transformation, The Matrix Energetics Experience, and The Physics of Miracles.
Melissa Joy is the co-teacher and Executive Director of Matrix Energetics. Prior to Matrix Energetics, she spent over 15 years in the pharmaceutical industry, marketing and developing drugs. She later realized that providing drugs to treat diseases was no longer part of her life path. She also had a condition that Western medicine was unable to cure. This began her exploration into alternative health, leading her to a Matrix Energetics seminar in early 2006. She began her study with Dr. Bartlett that same year, and with continued practice and study, her disease went away. In 2008, Melissa joined Richard on stage as his co-teacher.
For more information, visit www.matrixenergetics.com.